Inexspensive Binding

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (yamame) — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:08:36 GMT

Billy, thanks for the tip!

and Joe! How did I miss that tutorial?

Thanks guys!

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (Joe Arguello) — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:17:49 GMT

You might want to look this over:

http://thebamboorodroom.yuku.com/topic/564

Joe

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (bubba01) — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:26:41 GMT

Alfie,

You wouldn't need a binder to bundle up the sections for heat treating, as I said, I just do it by hand. As far as an oven goes, you can hang a piece of black galvanized pipe from the ceiling with straps or wire. Leave it loose enough so that you can rotate the pipe by hand. Get it threaded at both ends for caps and drill 1/8th inch holes in the center of each cap. Put the cane into the pipe and cap both ends. Using a torch with a good blue flame, slowly rotate the...

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (yamame) — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:30:05 GMT

Thanks for the reply Billy.

Am embarking on my first rod so am in the process of gathering tools and was trying to stay clear of a binder.

I can get the PET sleeving here... guess I'll still have to go the way of an oven and see if i can scrounge around for odds and ends for a binder.

Cheers,

Alfie

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (bubba01) — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:28:19 GMT

yamame,

The braided sleeve that I use can withstand temperatures of about 230 degrees so it's not suitable for heat treating in my opinion. I just bundle the pieces together and bind by hand to heat treat. I've never used the method you mentioned to heat treat, flaming the inside, but enough people do it that way so I'm sure it works fine. I do my cane at 200 degrees for about 6 hours then I turn my oven up to 375 for about 20 minutes.

Billy

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (yamame) — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:27:13 GMT

bubba01,

read with interest you post. Have not read Ray's book but would like find out more on this method of 'binding':

can you use this method for the initial heat treating of the untapered strips?

or if I used D Hayashida's method of flaming the inside of the culm be sufficient that I don't need to heat treat?

Thanks

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (bubba01) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:29:09 GMT

Dave, I've seen various heat/temp combos for curing Epon which all seem to work. I use 4 hrs. at 180*. Never thought of twisted rods, but this method sure would fit the bill for a sort of odd shaped shaft. Because of it's low cost, the experienced builder could use it in unusual applications, but it would be great for the guy who makes 1 or 2 rods a year.

Billy

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (splitcane) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:04:24 GMT

I understand you can slow cure the epon as well, say 150/175* for 5 hours. That might be the ticket and a easy clean up to boot...

One other though is using the method to do a Twisted Rod..."-)

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (bubba01) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:38:52 GMT

Dave,

You are right in that the sleeve is woven just like the flytying stuff. I strip the sleeve off before heat treating just so it comes off easier. I did have a blank that I had to scrape the sleeve off of and though I'd rather not have to do it, it wasn't that hard. I have been toying with the idea of resleeving the blank after I scrape the glue off to heat treat the Epon. I would make a rack to fit my oven and after the glues cured, just save the sleeve to bind the...

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (splitcane) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:19:27 GMT

Very Kool, Thanks for sharing...

Do you heat cure the epon in the sleve...?

That stuff makes great flies as well...

Tie a silver mylar minnow body, sleve it and tie off front and back leaving a little in the back as a tail...

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (bubba01) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:02:44 GMT

Larry,

Go to cableorganizer.com for the braided sleeve info/ordering.

Billy

Re: Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (flyman) — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:53:39 GMT

And where did you buy this sleeve stuff?? Or did my old eyes miss it? Larry Lohkamp

Inexspensive Binding

feeds@yuku.com (bubba01) — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:50:23 GMT

I got this idea to bind without a binder from Ray Gould's book first off, so thank you to Ray. It's an inexspensive method of binding using braided sleeve and a rack made from scrap 2 x 4's. My rack is 2' wide and 6' high with hardwood plates on the top and bottom. You will need 4 open eye bolts w/lag bolt thread for the bottom and 4 open eye bolts with S.A.E. thread with nuts and washers for the top. The bottom eyes are turned in permanentely. On top you drill...