Last night I was binding up a tip section in my garrison style binder. This is probably the 20th section I have sent through the binder with no problems up
until now. Before sending through the binder, I tie the sections with binding cord and remove the tape. This way I don't have to stop binding to remove
any tape. I sent the section through the binder and then again for it's second pass. Once bound, I washed off the excess URAC185 and began to check for
straightness. I noticed that one of the splines had twisted somehow about 15 inches from the tip and now the pith side was exposed to the outside of the
section. I quickly unbound the strips and diligently wiped them with water to remove any glue that may be on the strips. If I hadn't already washed the
excess glue off of the bound section, I would have simply rebound the strips and called it a night. But I wasn't confident I would get a good glue up so I
did the best I could to wash the strips. Are these strips useless now or do you think they are still good to glue up? What should I have done when this
happened? I really didn't have time to come up and post during the heat of the moment.
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Glue Binding Disaster . . . Need Help
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splitcane |
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Posts: 531 11/17/08 07:03:03 |
I'd put them back in the forms and clean them up after drying out, then bind them up...
I like to glue up in the morning when I'm fresh, late night binding can be a drag...
So... Get back on the horse and ride...!
I had nightmares with my first binders based on Garrisons Model, it was at that point in time my wife informed me she would not help no more and was going up stairs. Well... I figured I better get this binder figured out or it might cost me a divorce... Fast forward to SRG 2002 and I saw the 4 String Binder and went home and built one, all's well and my wife loves me even more..."-)
Take Care, Dave
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Posts: 20 11/17/08 07:15:11 |
Good advice about cleaning them up in the forms. I was wondering about how to "clean them up" without hurting the dimensions.
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Posts: 531 11/17/08 07:40:16 |
Basically just putting them back in the forms at the same dimensions they were made at...
Your just cleaning up any excess glue that might remain and flattening the angle... Look the strips over for damage, if there is damaged you can do two things... Slightly adjust your forms to take off a little more cane and get a fresh face... Replace the strips that are damaged and use the rest... I put together one of my Mortised Rods and did not notice at binding one of the strips flipped... Needless to say, that is the rod I fish and it's a sweet heart...
Take Care, Dave
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Posts: 56 11/17/08 09:06:57 |
Like you I had a tip strip roll, but on my very first rod with Nyatex. Didn't notice it until I scraped off the glue. I also like to wrap the rolled up
sections with a few pieces of binding thread and remove the tape before binding. In my case I don't believe that the binder caused the strip to roll, I
think that when I rolled them back together after gluing that one slipped on me. Now I put a small black mark on the outside of each strip near the butt end so
after I roll up and prepare to bind I can quickly check to see if the spines are oriented properly.. The offending tip seems to work just fine with one section
askew!
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Posts: 160 11/17/08 09:34:25 |
I know it's sacraligeous but I never remove the tape when I glue and bind. This keeps the sections in their proper place and I have never had any problems
caused by the tape being left on the sections. I simply take a razor and cut the tape along one seam and lay the sections down on paper, glue, and roll them
back up being held by the tape (4 or 5 places) send them thorugh the binder, done. When the glue dries I scrape off the binding string and clean up the blank.
Been doing it this way for years with no problems. I know that some think that this may cause crooked blanks but maybe ignorance is bliss where I am concerned
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Posts: 63 11/21/08 08:26:34 |
I agree Joe
I think its best to leave the tape on and remove when everything is set up. But I hand bind and never really get a problem With practice you can hand bind a rod just as fast as any mechanical binding machine, Your hands on so you see a problem and can correct it as it happens in front of you. No tension holders wheels or all those devices which can go wrong at the critical time and destroy you hard work. just a bobbin of thread and your foot to keep it under tension. I would put the strips back in the forms and hit it with the sand paper. all should be Ok if you take your time. |
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Posts: 20 11/21/08 13:14:34 |
I took the strips and laid them back in the forms and made a pass on each side with the 212 scraper. The strips looked fairly clean so I went ahead for a glue
session. I ran them back through the binder last night and didn't have a problem. I'll clean up the section this weekend and see if it is a keeper or
not. Thanks for the suggestions.
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